Sen. John Fetterman (D-Penn.) called some of his colleagues’ quickness to blame Israel for the hospital blast in Gaza “disturbing” in a statement Wednesday.

“It’s truly disturbing that Members of Congress rushed to blame Israel for the hospital tragedy in Gaza,” Fetterman said in a post on X, formerly Twitter.

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    9 months ago

    Sure evidence is never going to be for certain but I will say that again because your bullet points have things that are from straight out lies (the fake facebook posting) Any information from you is suspect. I mean we could go all the way to maybe the pilot dropped a grenade.

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      which ones are straight up lies? enlighten me

      i tried very deliberately to only make statements in the bullet points that i could back up.

      we can disagree about my logic but something either happened or it didn’t.

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        9 months ago

        These definately

        The majority of the Palestinian rockets do not have the payload to do so much damage
        IDF Digital Spokesman posted a tweet admitting responsibility for the attack, only to quickly delete it
        
        
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          Hananya Naftali is the name of the spokesman. here’s a link to his twitter

          this was the tweet that made immediately after the hospital event go ahead and look it up, it was widely reported on

          he then posted this after deleting the original

          now go search for a reuters article about the bombing that was live before he posted his original tweet. i couldn’t find one, personally. although to be fair, i didn’t look very hard


          you can read more about palestinian rocket arsenal. it’s not secret classified information

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_arsenal

          their most common rocket is the Qassam, this is the one they produce themselves

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket

          the biggest payload is 20kg

          we’re talking about a bomb in the 250-500lb range. it just isn’t enough.

          they do have stronger rockets, but they are fewer because they cannot produce them entirely on their own. that’s where iranian rockets come in

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajr-5

          for example that one they have been known to fire before. it’s an actual rocket from an actual military. not jerry rigged together. that one we’re talking 125kg, so we’re starting to get into the discussion range we’re talking about

          they have a lot more shitty qassam rockets than anything else. this is evident by the amount of damage the average rocket does when it lands in israel - virtually nothing. they have to send like 150 rockets to kill 1 israeli

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            So I was talking about the faked facebook post but instead your talking about a social media influencer and trying to make it sound like he is some israeli official, I will just say its a meaningless point then. Hamas and islamic jihad has been hitting israel with rockets forever and I see damage just like and worse than the hospital. Trying to say israel used a really small bomb rather than it being one of those rockets is ridiculous. That being said I don’t think there is enough proof to say either way. But lets say for some reason a madman knows for sure what really happened and he has me tied up with a gun to my head and will shoot me If I don’t get the answer right to the question of if it was israel that hit that hospital. I would say no. It would be my best chance at living. Now queing folks saying they will shoot me given the hypothetical I put up.

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              He’s part of Israeli government. Netanyahu hired him. He was popular influencer and became government propagandist.

              I didn’t say Israel used small bomb. I’m saying at hospital the damage was from bomb at least 250lb payload. Majority of Hamas rockets are much less. They only have a handful of the big ones that could do the damage at the hospital.

              Show me a Hamas rocket that has killed more than 100 people.

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                  https://m.youtube.com/shorts/MvogHimGuWo

                  Here is Netanyahu at his wedding congratulating him and making the statement: “he works for me”

                  At this point, can you admit I wasn’t telling “straight up lies”? Has providing sources for my claims given me any credibility? Because you accused me of being a liar, I would like to say

                  Anyhow…

                  Hamas has rockets that are powerful. For example, the Iranian supplied onces that go up to 125kg can do much more damage than the picture you sent. A well placed 125kg bomb can topple a building.

                  It’s a question of the average. In the last 20 years, Hamas has killed less than 100 Israeli civilians with rockets. They’ve fired thousands of rockets. Most of them are going to be the Qammas ~20kg ones. People get injured but you have to be unlucky to get killed.

                  This is what I mean. If Hamas sends out 9 small rockets (which is the majority of their supply) and then 1 big rocket, the more likely outcome is that one of the small ones fail. Simply because there are many more of them. For the damage we saw at the hospital, it would have to be a big one.

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                    oh this is super misleading. Really. Here is a celeb at a wedding of another celeb. They could even be related but that does not make him part of the government. You can technically say its not lying but your initial bullet points are as much lying as israel has done around these things. You used the term IDF digital spokesman because the guy is at a wedding. So every palestinian that has been at a wedding with hamas or islamic jihad or other terrorist groups is fair game because hey they were at a wedding. Funny thing is if anything sends me to the israel side of whos telling the truth its social media folks like yourself.