• stephenc@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I love how you turn pacifism around to "help the Russians" basically making me the villain while you advocate the killing of innocents and the destruction of cities. What a fucking hateful shit.

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      9 months ago

      Here, let me bring some light into your understanding of the matter.

      Imagine, and I want you to really visualize this, a large man has a visible gun on his belt. He demands that you strip nude and give him everything you have. There is no path you can run towards, he's blocking the only exit and, again, has a gun. It just so happens that you also have a gun, and unlike his, yours is already drawn. What do you do?

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        9 months ago

        Oh look, it's hateful people imagining these fake no-win situations to justify their bloodlust. Grow up. Life is more complicated than your manipulative little fantasies.

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          9 months ago

          How funny, it seems you're dodging the very simple question. Almost like you're devoid of intellectual honesty.

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            9 months ago

            It's not a "simple question", it's a manipulative question by a fucking violent sociopath describing an impossible, this-or-that situation that will never exist and I'm fucking calling you out on it.

            Talk about having no intellectual honesty. Look, you've lost. Get over it. People like me – pacifists who want people to continue living, who want peace, no violence, no hatred – have won. You are a relic of a long-past age of hatred and bullshit. Evolve or be silent.

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      9 months ago

      I advocate the defense of people and cities. You advocate their surrender. You would trade anything for peace, especially justice. You would rather have a negative peace than accept that the world is not as simple as you would like it to be, and there are some enemies who are simply not interested in negotiation. You are what we call a "useful idiot."

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        9 months ago

        Where is the justice for the dead? Where? Where the fuck is the justice for the innocents who have had their lives turned upside down? The ones who would still be alive if aggression had not been the solution?

        You are a hateful, war-mongering, inhuman monster.

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          Where is the justice for the dead? Where? Where the fuck is the justice for the innocents who have had their lives turned upside down? The ones who would still be alive if aggression had not been the solution?

          Those are some very good questions to ask the aggressor, Russia.

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          9 months ago

          What justice is there in rolling over and saying, "no, we don't have a right to self-determination in any way, please take anything you want, Russia!" If push came to shove you would be a collaborator, and aider and abetter of war crimes to save your own skin, and that cognitive dissonance makes you so uncomfortable that you put on this humanitarian act in order to maintain a moral high ground that does not exist. It is not virtuous to allow others to kill you, dominate you, and steal from you. It is monstrous to imply that Russia's right to delusions of empire trump Ukraine's right to determine their country's affairs, and even more monstrous to use the death of innocents as a shield for your craven delusions that everything would be fine if people just gave the naked aggressors everything they want.

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            9 months ago

            You really think that the world is so black and white that it's either "kill all foreigners" or "bow down and join our beloved oppressors"?

            Seriously, you shouldn't be able to have an opinion. Go back to first grade and try learning how life works again.