At the moment, no, because Bernie or another progressive Democrat isn’t in the spotlight.

If Bernie or another progressive took Biden’s place?

I’m not entirely discounting the idea that the American people could surprise me. But talking to ordinary voters, I’m not exactly filled with hope that there’s a secret cabal of super-compassionate left wing votes waiting to be activated by the right candidate. In fact, I’m filled with the suspicion that Bernie or another progressive Dem would be in the same spot, or worse, as Biden is currently.

And regardless of whether a progressive would perform better electorally, the fact remains that Trump is not a valid alternative to anyone with any hint of foresight.

Ernest said he was handing over the reigns to someone else soon. I’d like to give them a chance before I bail on Kbin. I really like Kbin.

I’m gonna give Kbin a little while longer to get its shit together, but if need be, I’ll swap to Lemmy.world in the near future.

Therefore majority in the US disapprove of genocide.

In the same way that Joe Biden disapproves of genocide, ie by shaking their finger but explicitly continuing to support aid for the genocide, you know, what you initially claimed they would vote against. Sorry that you think Joe Biden’s position is anti-genocide, but I’m afraid I just can’t agree with that. :)

That poll, as already mentioned, does not address the issue you were talking about. You… you DO get how that’s worse, right…?

Nope. They’re not active participants in the genocide.

Cute. They just support the continuing participation in the genocide. Much better.

No, not people who are active participants in the genocide who have vowed not to stop no matter what.

Just people who SUPPORT active participation in the genocide by sending aid and are determined not to stop regardless of the ongoing genocide. So literally the only difference is voting for this policy vs. carrying it out. Cool.

Let me put it this way - these people you’re talking about, in the same position as Joe Biden, if they were suddenly appointed speaker and then Harris and Biden both resigned - what exactly would the difference considering their positions as stated by you to Biden’s current approach?

If you can’t understand that, then I can’t help you.

Wait, wait, let me take a crack at it “They’re still more moral than Biden because they aren’t participating in the genocide YET, they just support the continuation of supporting the genocide as it is currently and would follow the exact same policy if they were given the power to decide our next course of action”, as if that was a distinction with a difference in the context of a discussion of what people would vote for.

The first poll I posted is from march

Literally you:

The poll I posted is later in february,

Your source:

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/reuters ipsos foreign affairs graphic 1 jpeg 3.1.24.jpg

“February 26-28”

Are you allergic to the truth or something?

Wagging his finger once in a while when an especially horrific atrocity becomes public does nothing when he’s simultaneously sending them the weapons used to commit the atrocities and saying that he’ll be on their side no matter what.

Okay, so literally JUST like the people you’re saying are opposed to genocide but support continuing aid.

Great. We’re done here.

Cool, yeah, let’s ‘teach them a lesson’ by going deeper into fascism, that really worked the past ten times we’ve done it.

Says the one who first posted a poll from february

What.

Your criticism was that the poll was ‘too early’, and you posted a poll from… four days later in response.

You aren’t even trying, are you?

Which is a separate question, especially to the ones who mistakenly think that Israel isn’t to blame for the genocide or that they’re not the only ones perpetuating it.

Then how the ever-loving fuck is it a relevant question to the issue of Biden’s policy of continuing aid?

To get through your thick skull that some people have a favorable opinion of Israel in spite of being against their genocide? Yeah. That it’s not working is entirely due to your seemingly willful resistance to simple logic.

So… people like, say… Joe Biden?

An unmitigated disaster. One that the person you were addressing didn’t advocate for at any point of this conversation.

Why don’t you go ahead and ask them who they’re voting for? I’ve had enough encounters with Hark to know their song and dance.

The poll I posted is later in february,

By four days.

Jesus, you really will grasp at anything, won’t you?

Yes. Most people want to vote for the outcomes that they prefer and most people want the genocide to end. Ergo most people would vote for an end to the genocide if given the opportunity.

In the minds of these people aiding Israel will either stop the genocide or not necessarily have an effect on it. They’re wrong, but still against the genocide.

So under that logic, Biden, who has expressed opposition to the ongoing operations but continued funding it, is also anti-genocide in the same vein that these voters are.

You’ll have to forgive me for not finding that a very ‘anti-genocide’ or ‘changing what we’re currently doing’ stance.

The former is a statement of well-documented fact

You literally JUST admitted that most Americans would not be in favor of suspending aid to Israel.

Are you even trying?

The FUCK are you babbling about??

The fuck do you think a Trump victory is

At most, people want to continue aid to Israel in SPITE of disapproving of the genocide.

Okay, let me remind you of what started this little conversation. The other guy saying

I bet most would vote to end genocide

So you wanna explain how

At most, people want to continue aid to Israel in SPITE of disapproving of the genocide.

Groks with that?

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/americans-split-continuing-military-aid-israel

“Your poll is from February!” he says, as he posts a poll from February. “Your poll is within the margin of error, just 1%!” he says, as posts a poll within the margin of error, literally just 1%. But hey, opting for no “Unsure” or “Neither” option really makes your ‘majority support’ of 48% ‘more likely to vote for’ (and notably not an actual policy position) that much more convincing.

lmao

Fascist hypocrisy is so predictable. More than their trains, that’s for sure.

I didn’t realize “Your poll is older!” is a response to “Your poll literally doesn’t say what you claim it does”.

Even disregarding that, it’s interesting that you’re trying to paint a one percent difference between the favors and opposes as “majority of Americans”,

Funny, if you go back through our comments, the only person claiming that a majority of Americans would be voting for or against something is… you.

Huh. Weird. Almost like projection is one of the few tools you have.

But sure, 36% is a majority. Great math you have there. Like the math the Italian fascists used to ‘make the trains run on time’.

It’s amazing that you post the screenshot and STILL don’t read it correctly. Here, let me remind you of what you originally said:

If ending genocide was actually a choice on the ballot instead of two ghouls who both support genocide, I bet most would vote to end genocide.

Thinking most people would be against genocide is spreading misinformation?

But fascists aren’t well-known for their stunning memory of what they said in the past ten minutes either, so that’s not a surprise.

Of course, the fact that you explicitly advocate for voting for a genocide of American minorities makes this position, in context, utterly unsurprising.

I remember pointing out this poll to you before months ago, but you decided to ignore it because you’re like a republican who loves projection.

Funny, because I remember that exchange, and I pointed out that “Disapproves of Israel’s actions” and “Supports removing aid” are two entirely different things, and supported that with a poll showing the difference between the two. But fascists like you have a very loose relationship with the truth.