Wow this post got popular. I got called into work and didnt see the replies, sorry ladies and gentlemen! Trying to catch up tonight.

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    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that you can address a problem without addressing the root cause

    Not really, no. You can take action to address symptoms… but those don't do anything about the problem. For example, you can take myriad pain relievers to feel less shitty about a cold - addressing the symptoms - but the problem is still there, unaddressed.

    Firearm violence is no different. Pitbulls are no different.

    Breeding dogs is already a largely narcissistic practice, we don’t need to allow the breeding of the most violent and dangerous ones.

    First, let's highlight the obvious issue - Human breeding is largely a narcissistic practice, we don't need to allow the breeding of the least intelligent ones.

    Second, your irrational fear of a thing does not justify restrictions on that thing.

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      Not really, no. You can take action to address symptoms… but those don't do anything about the problem. For example, you can take myriad pain relievers to feel less shitty about a cold - addressing the symptoms - but the problem is still there, unaddressed

      Yes, when the root problem is unaddressable, like in the case of a cold virus or say, HIV, we instead treat the symptoms as the next best option… so when the root problem of gun violence is 'people having moments of unhingedness" or the root cause of doog attacks is "people being bad dog owners" things that are just statistical realities of the human race that you'll never be able to eliminate, then you treat the symptoms to make them less severe.

      Again, this is why America is the only western country in the world where the number one cause of death for children is gun violence.

      First, let's highlight the obvious issue - Human breeding is largely a narcissistic practice, we don't need to allow the breeding of the least intelligent ones.

      Yes we do, read any of the past century of the history of eugenics and youll see the horrible outcomes that result when you try to prevent it.

      Second, your irrational fear of a thing does not justify restrictions on that thing.

      Again, you're the only country where people are regularly mass murdered. It is absolutely insane how fucking deluded you are. You can see literally orders of magnitude more western people looking at your children getting slaughtered for no reason but go 'nope, Merica always the best, never wrong about anything, no mistakes in our history of decision making'. Like Jesus fucking Christ, gain an ounce or thimble or whatever dumbass unit you use full of perspective and self doubt.

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        when the root problem is unaddressable

        when the root problem of gun violence is 'people having moments of unhingedness"

        And here's where the statement falls apart - you've provided nothing showing the root causes of firearm violence to be unaddressable. Heck, specific to mass shootings, the problems - including "unhingedness" - are very well-understood and very addressable. Specific to aggressive dogs, the common theme raised in these discussions - especially in criticism of this breed-behavior nonsense - is that the person behind the dog is the problem. I'm interested in hearing how you see that as unaddressable.

        Again, this is why America is the only western country in the world where the number one cause of death for children is gun violence.

        Would that be the NEJM study which directly recognizes the reasons for such an anomaly are unclear in the same breath it recognizes the overlap with the time of crisis and desperation (hmm, where have we seen that before…) that was the COVID-19 pandemic as if to highlight an explanation, ignores that there were other significantly more severe increases in causes of child deaths (e.g. drug overdose and poisoning), intentionally combines suicide and homicide as if they're the same, and generally disregards everything in favor of a single distilled talking point? One that specifically avoids asking why and exploring the anomaly?

        Worry not, Pew Research explored the anomaly somewhat - of note:

        • "Boys, for example, accounted for 83% of all gun deaths among children and teens in 2021. Girls accounted for 17%."
        • "Older children and teens are much more likely than younger kids to be killed in gun-related incidents. Those ages 12 to 17 accounted for 86% of all gun deaths among children and teens in 2021"
        • "Racial and ethnic differences in gun deaths among kids are stark. In 2021, 46% of all gun deaths among children and teens involved Black victims, even though only 14% of the U.S. under-18 population that year was Black. Much smaller shares of gun deaths among children and teens in 2021 involved White (32%), Hispanic (17%) and Asian (1%) victims."
        • "There are also major racial and ethnic differences in the types of gun deaths involving children and teens. In 2021, a large majority of gun deaths involving Black children and teens (84%) were homicides, while 9% were suicides. Among White children and teens, by contrast, the majority of gun deaths (66%) were suicides, while a much smaller share (24%) were homicides."

        I wonder if there are, say, any long-standing inequality issues regarding opportunity & desperation between some of these demographics, issues which may be thematically similar with observations raised of mass shootings… Nah, it's gotta be what the headline said.

        Yes we do, read any of the past century of the history of eugenics and youll see the horrible outcomes that result when you try to prevent it.

        I see the irony here flew right by you. You're entirely okay eradicating an entire breed of a living thing because you're angry with it / scared of it / just don't like it, but balk at humanity having done the same before to its own? Interesting.

        It is absolutely insane how fucking deluded you are.

        Had you actually addressed a point anywhere in this conversation, I'd have given that some consideration.

        You can see literally orders of magnitude more western people looking at your children getting slaughtered for no reason but go ‘nope, Merica always the best, never wrong about anything, no mistakes in our history of decision making’.

        Quite the opposite - we, instead, seek to solve underlying issues rather than only caring how the violence occurred. You could learn a thing or two from seeking to improve lives. Also, never wrong about anything? Lmao.

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          I see the irony here flew right by you. You’re entirely okay eradicating an entire breed of a living thing because you’re angry with it / scared of it / just don’t like it, but balk at humanity having done the same before to its own? Interesting.

          Eliminating a breed of domestic animal that we created for own purposes by not killing them but just not actively breeding them anymore, is not the same thing as eugenics.

          Read some fucking history before making dumbass comments like that.

          Had you actually addressed a point anywhere in this conversation, I’d have given that some consideration.

          Lol, you just through out of a bunch of bullshit to muddy the water

          Quite the opposite - we, instead, seek to solve underlying issues rather than only caring how the violence occurred.

          Bruh, you have metal detectors in every single fucking school and useless cops with guns harassing children in the hallway, shut the fuck up about addressing the "root problems". You're treating the symptoms the same as every country, you just have your hands cuffed by your dumbass 200 year old constitution that prevents you from treating the effective system that every other country treats.

          Go ahead and tell me, how many mass casualty incidents were there at UK schools last year? Now how many at American schools?

          You literally live in the ONLY country on earth where there are regular school shootings, but noooooooo, the difference there couldn't possibly be that you're also the only nation on earth with unrestricted firearms being purchasable by anyone. Totally unrelated things!

          You're honestly being so fucking stupid it hurts. Enjoy your next Trump presidency and further slide into shit. Dumbassery like "guns are good! They help people" when your children literally have gun violence as their number one cause of death is flat out embarrassing.

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            liminating a breed of domestic animal that we created for own purposes by not killing them but just not actively breeding them anymore, is not the same thing as eugenics.

            Biased selective breeding quite literally is eugenics. Try picking up a dictionary sometime.

            Bruh, you have metal detectors in every single fucking school and useless cops with guns harassing children in the hallway, shut the fuck up about addressing the “root problems”. You’re treating the symptoms the same as every country, you just have your hands cuffed by your dumbass 200 year old constitution that prevents you from treating the effective system that every other country treats.

            More bland hyperbole? Neat.

            Lol, you just through out of a bunch of bullshit to muddy the water

            Projection, from you? No way! One of us is operating entirely on bullshit, I agree - but it isn't me.

            Go ahead and tell me, how many mass casualty incidents were there at UK schools last year? Now how many at American schools?

            You literally live in the ONLY country on earth where there are regular school shootings, but noooooooo, the difference there couldn’t possibly be that you’re also the only nation on earth with unrestricted firearms being purchasable by anyone. Totally unrelated things!

            Ah - and there it is, the pretense there's only one singular difference between the two countries that are otherwise complete identical copies of each other so as to conclusively show there are no other factors to the violence issues, right on cue - true to form, in rant form and dodging one more by criticisms raised.

            You’re honestly being so fucking stupid it hurts. Enjoy your next Trump presidency and further slide into shit. Dumbassery like “guns are good! They help people” when your children literally have gun violence as their number one cause of death is flat out embarrassing.

            The irony, once more, seems entirely lost on you.

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              Ah - and there it is, the pretense there’s only one singular difference between the two countries that are otherwise complete identical copies of each other so as to conclusively show there are no other factors to the violence issues, right on cue - true to form, in rant form and dodging one more by criticisms raised.

              Lmao, you're right, the denial and cognitive dissonance that Americans have to live with every day would drive anyone to the breaking point

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                It's fortunate, then, that we only have to live with your cognitive dissonance and denial through your disingenuous shitposting on the internet, and that despite your fearmongering and other sensationalism, such breaking points are still pretty rare.