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      The system is written and set up by guys like him.

      It doesn’t change itself. Voting won’t make it change itself either.

      We’re either going to have to grind everything to halt or grind everything to dust. Those are the only two options left to us.

      It was over 8 years ago that begged a foreign power for espionage help while running for pres. On live TV. He should have been locked up then.

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    Jesus, how many years have the courts had to ponder if he is immune. At least 7? And you still don’t have a fucking answer and we still going to let him hold this shit up with the same old bullshit.

    Why doesn’t it go the other way. Sorry dude you don’t get in any ballots till you’re cleared of insurrection.

    Why don’t we rage and protest like the French ,why is it always so acceptable that those in power never face consequences…

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      The insurrection bit isn’t even up for debate, he has been found to be an insurrectionist. It is only if we are going to follow what the constitution plainly spells out, or find that Presidents are above the law and start the reign of Kings of The Former United States of America.

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        Ah yes but you see they didn’t specifically write the word “President” in the Amendment, and SCOTUS ruled that the President isn’t an “officer” of the United States in a completely unrelated case with unrelated sections of law. So now we have to wait and see if SCOTUS is going to put the President above the law or not. And they almost assuredly aren’t going to do it before the Election. Which totally isn’t because they’re afraid of what happens if he still somehow wins after they rule against him…

        This unhinged semi satirical rant brought to you by staying up way too late.

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          If the SCOTUS were to put President outside of the constitution like that, they have all but declared the office of President a King, and the 14th amendment has no barring on the office at that point anyways. And a King has no want for a “Supreme Court”, and would dismantle them as one of the first acts in power. A King dislikes and fears oversight, so really the Court is deciding if they will continue on, or if they and the whole US experiment is over.

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            Well, if we want to game theory this road (We shouldn’t, being that tired is an altered mental state but I love wild hypotheticals), Kings absolutely use courts to help maintain their legitimacy. So do dictators. As an example one of the things in Venezuela was packing the high court so they couldn’t protest the de-powering of the legislature. I do agree though if we ever get a fully immune president we’re screwed. Previous presidents agreed with that and subjected themselves to oversight, and even in one case, a speeding ticket.

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              I was talking specifically the Supreme Court, as that would be the only court with more power than the President/King/Dictator. He would absolutely use all lower federal courts to bring the states in line, and prosecute anyone that threaten his power.

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                Interesting fact, there’s no Constitutional cap to the size of SCOTUS. If I were him I would find 10 people beholden to me financially and by blackmail. The court would then be 19 people.

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        If it does come to that point I think we’ll have a double feature of insurgencies and Balkanization

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          In Russia you do, or at least you pretend that the people are getting a choice through voting.

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      I think we need to stop clicking on links that are about the issues Trump crazy, it encourages stores to write more

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        A few Lemmy users ain’t gonna cut it. This is one of those things where it won’t go away until the subject of the stories goes away.

        Counting down the days, personally… I just don’t know how many days there are to count down.

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    Trump’s Plotting to Interfere in 2024 Election Causes Judge to Postpone Trump’s March Trial on Charges of Plotting to Overturn 2020 election

    FTFY

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        it’s more like a coop attempt. like a fox in a chicken coop. a delusionally-mixed metaphor, where the fox is in the chicken coop, but the fox is severely mentally ill and just screaming incoherently at the chickens who are all defensively trying to peck the fox to death, but it’s not working for some reason, despite the massive, gathering pool of blood… everyone is watching in horror, for hours now, powerless to either stop nor explain what they’re witnessing.

        and it just keeps happening…

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    All Trump wants is to delay until the general election. If he can even get remotely close to the general or ideally past it, then he can claim he won and that he has “presidential immunity” again.

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      I’m wondering if his campaign even really cares about getting to the general before these cases start. If he can push it past March, he’ll more than likely be the GOP candidate (barring a literal miracle), and then he can crow all about “oh the judges are just treating me horribly, you can’t try a presidential candidate it’s against the law etc etc etc” in front of his rallies, and on the debate stage, and in the courtroom.

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        Yeah, I think it is essentially over. He successfully ran out the clock already. By the time the Supreme Court hears the immunity appeal he will already be the nominee, and it is extremely unlikely they will haul him into court after that due to the optics of interfering with the election.

        The scarier scenario is the Supreme Court silently waits to see if he wins, and then the conservative justices rule in his favor that he has absolute immunity if he does win. That would essentially be the end of democracy in this country.

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    Who’s going to win:

    1. One fat, smelly, rapist, cult leader, and reality television has been.

    (Or)

    1. Democracy, the rule of law, and the US judicial system.

    At this point my money is on option #1.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    That case has long been seen as arguably the least legally perilous of the four indictments Trump faces, with the alleged misconduct less grave than accusations of mishandling classified documents or plotting to subvert a presidential election.

    Trump, who faces four indictments and 91 felony counts, is looking to push his criminal cases back as he enjoys front-runner status in the race for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination.

    The Washington case had been expected to take place first, but it has been delayed for weeks by Trump’s appeal on grounds that he is shielded from prosecution — a claim that has been vigorously disputed by Smith’s team.

    The New York case involves steps Trump allegedly took to hide payments that were made on the Republican’s behalf to suppress damaging stories before his 2016 win over Democrat Hillary Clinton, namely logging them as legal expenses.

    While a guilty verdict would give Trump another historic moniker as the first former president convicted of a crime, potentially complicating his campaign to return to the White House, there’s no guarantee of prison time.

    Trump critics and rival campaign aides have long bemoaned that Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s indictment was the first, believing that it helped blunt the political impact of more serious charges that followed because voters tuned out or grew confused by the myriad cases.


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