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  • Wide sweeping, as in a high level view that only briefly touches on things like these deep plots without dwelling on them.

    Many of the plots and pieces of lore in 40k were introduced intentionally as snippets that weren’t ever thought out fully. They were introduced to give the idea of plots existing and to create a tone. Later writers coming in and fleshing out those snippets often turned something mysterious into something convoluted.


  • I prefer wide sweeping and impressionistic views when it comes to tone and theme.

    Hints of intricate plots in passing are much more interesting than actually sitting down and mapping them out play by play in detail.

    In this wide sweeping view that puts tone above all else, I very much lean to a view that humanity was doomed a long time ago and is simply being stubborn about the inevitable.


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    Leadership and progress and hope are all things that have no place in 40k. Guilliman is a noble person who brings these things in amounts uncomfortable for the setting. Therefore he has no place in 40k. He needs to exist only as a long dead legend that people wish they had, but he is gone- just one more piece of hope that can’t be brought back.

    Gulliman waking up and being absolutely shocked at the sight of things only works if he is immediately put back into stasis by the high lords for their own petty reasons, but that’s not happening so the entire tone of 40k has shifted with him being awake and in charge. Not just with him, but he is something easy to point at as an example.

    More people getting into 40k think the Imperium are “the good guys” because while the set dressing of candles and power armor and gothic buildings are still around, the insane mindset of the people in 40k has been softened, at least in presentation quite a lot in enough ways that it is understandable why people new to 40k now think humanity is good.


  • As someone who isn’t a fan of Guilliman coming back and actually being a noble ruler (as opposed to previously the super sketchy high lords, who I thought fit a grim dark degraded tone much more), I’ve always considered 40k to be the bad ending. If there was a video game, the 40k we know would be an ending slide that happened when the player had truly made terrible choices. The game is over and we are stuck in the bad outcome. It won’t get better.

    Humanity in 40k is collectively a corpse that doesn’t know or accept that it’s already dead (just like the emperor himself- symbolism!). The most humanity can do are have brief moments of staving of things getting worse. Humanity can at massive cost and misery preserve a terrible status quo every now and then and call it a victory, but even the victories just lead to losses and the losses keep leading to the final death of humanity.


  • There is some creepiness around the ethereal caste and what exactly is going on with them. Tau have also been hinted (maybe confirmed) to sterilize human subject populations in one of the Dawn Of War games.

    Personally, I take a very impressionistic and loose approach to canon, especially in 40k. My personal interpretation (and this is semi-head canon so I don’t need any “well acktually” replies here) is that Tau represent “the good guys” and should be a material example of why taking the high road in 40k just doesn’t work. Tau should basically be always trying to be understanding, and diplomatic, and all that other coexisting Star Trek stuff- and it needs to blow up horribly in their face every single time until they are forced to be violent like everyone else. Tau are a great baseline for a sane culture that’s being dropped into the 40k universe and just getting culture shock upon culture shock as they encounter more of it.