I’ll admit I don’t get it…

After that, you just start anticipating this feeling and unlock social anxiety.

Probably. I haven’t tried that, but I should.

The learning curve there might be too challenging if not familiar with certain concepts beforehand…

It’s not that hard to achieve a working system with Arch, so not bad as a Linux 101.

That’s right. It’s a great recommendation for learning about Linux.

For anyone who needs something that just works, there’s a lot better options.

True in the sense that Telegram is not a real privacy-respecting alternative. So, it's a good thing to point out.

My reasons for leaving Meta are more anti-Meta than anything else. For those who have succeeded at using something really private, my respects. I just not had any good alternative without being cut off society.

If I thought there was no difference between Telegram and WhatsApp, I'd have kept using WhatsApp. But yeah, it's not good option anyway. Just good-enough compromise for me to leave Meta.

I just strongly disagree that people don't have a choice.

Just to give the full context regarding my opinion: I do live in an EU country in which WhatsApp is the default messaging app and Instagram is where people my age and younger use to keep in touch with their social circle.

It's been how you've said. A lot of people I cannot easily reach out. I've managed not to be completely isolated through Telegram.

People I'm really close to me have been kind enough to meet me there. Even some collegues from my previous work. Every time I've gone out with them, we've talked there.

Now I'm in very few family/friends chat groups (the ones I'm in, I actually care about). There's less distractions and notifications. So at least that have been an advantage.

Edit 1: Some typos and grammar mistakes.

Edit 2: Also, I can't say there's no ocasional friction regarding not using Meta. As you said, I'd be amazing if they had interoperability with other messaging services without tracking me. Things would be a lot easier for me.

Ok, so I should use Meta services anyway guilty-free?

I'm not claiming I'm not being tracked. But in theory, the GDPR should have made that illegal (to my understading) as I'm in the EU.

If the law is just paper anyway, then what's the point of the discussion?

Not easy, I agree.

I've been without any Meta services for 2 years already. In my experience, people have been more understanding regarding that than I initially imagined.

I believe that the choice can be made so I did. I still think most people can. That doesn't mean I don't respect the reasons anyone might have to stay.

I just strongly disagree that people don't have a choice.

Indeed. I can't know for sure. But the GDPR is supposed to make that illegal.

That's a different conversation.

I agree, but it's not like using Meta is mandatory. You can decide not to use their services.

This price is absurd, sure. Even if I trusted Meta, there's no way I'm paying that.

Having said that, they can charge whatever they want for the service. As company, their prices are up them.

I don't get why you (no OP specifically, but in general) put it as if you must pay or give up your rights. We can just not use Meta, as many of us already been doing.

GDPR should be there to protect and enforce informed consent. Not to remove people's ability to decide.

Why sholuld we regulate Meta's prices and not whatever other suscription service exists out there?

All technologies you've mentioned are in R&D, not ready to use as you seem to imply. Great investment is still required to implement them at-scale. What I'd agree on is that It's in our best interest to invest heavily in them, and they are probably underfunded given their importance in the survival of humanity.

The idea that we can transition from fossil fuels to traditional renewables (solar, wind, etc) while refusing to rely on nuclear power seems wishful thinking to me. In the short and mid-term (10-20 years) we only have nuclear as a realistic alternative for clean energy. In this transition, we can develop those promising methods of energy storage and also build the necessary infrastructure they require.

Just to provide a real case scenario: Germany vs. France.

Both Germany and France want to reach zero emissions by 2050.

We know how Germany opted to phase out nuclear power already in the year 2000 and completed its 'nuclear exit' in April 2023. Compare that to France that since 1974 has been heavily investing in nuclear power with the goal of producing most of its energy from it (Messmer Plan (Wikipedia)).

The results for me are apparent:

Greenhouse gas emissions 2021 in Germany: 665.88 megatonnes (8.0 tonnes/capita)

Greenhouse gas emissions 2021 in France: 302.33 megatonnes (4.5 tonnes/capita)

Source: How energy systems and policies of Germany and France compare .

I'd take a real reduction in green house emissions any day before the "wish" of reducing them while refusing to make any compromise.

Without being disrespectful, I think it is a big mistake to refuse prioritize nuclear power to replace fossil fuels in the near future if the goal is to reduce greenhouse emissions.

That's true about fossil fuels. But it seems you're interpreting my comment as if I was defending the use of fossil fuels.

What I'm pointing out here is that the fact that hydroelectric energy production (although very clean) is not really an alternative for many countries as a substitute for fossil fuels. It is not a matter or decision lack of attention or investment. Many developed countries actually have most of their potential capacity installed, yet that accounts for very little of their electric demand. Take Germany as an example:

Germany had a hydropower installed capacity in 2016 of 11,258 MW (…). In the same year, the country generated 21.5 TWh from hydroelectric plants, representing about 3% of the country's total electricity generation.

The hydropower capacity in Germany is considered mature and the potential already almost completely exploited, with limited room for growth. In recent years, growth in capacity has mainly come from repowering of existing plants.

Source: Hydroelectricity in Germany

Of course, there's exceptions (% of total domestic electricity generation): Canada (59.0%), Norway (96%), Paraguay (100%) or Brazil (64.7%).

Actually, from what I can tell, hydro seem to be so convenient (it can be ramped up/down on-demand, used for storage, cheap) that most countries that can afford it tend to maximize their installed capacity to the extend their hydrography allows them to.

I don't know about initial costs, but the main problem with wind/solar is they cannot be scaled up/down on-demand. The depend on the weather and that does not align with energy demands throught the day.

As long as we cannot store energy at-scale, we will have to rely in another source of energy we can ramp up/down depending of the energy demands (being fossil fuels or, preferibly, nuclear)

The thing with hydro is that it is limited by the hydrography of the country.

Once you've built all damns it was possible, that's it. And that usually only covers a just small portion of a country's energy needs.