This is not fair description of his debate performance. He didn’t stutter, he crashed like an old computer trying to keep 50 chrome tabs running and then barely dragged himself out of it with incoherent nonsense like “we beat Medicare.”
It doesn’t disqualify him, it just lowers the bar for Trump.
This is getting down voted here, but it shouldn’t be just because some people disagree. The NYT editorial board coming out with this is a Big Deal. It has the potential to change the race. A lot of influential people still read it.
The people downvoting don’t care. This community is particularly bad for it, imo. There is a group of people who will downvote literally anything bad for Biden, and think that people like return2ozma, who seems to genuinely be a democrat, are posting bad news as part of some plot to suppress the vote (?) and help Trump win.
One time I saw one poll with good news for Biden upvoted and another, equally legit poll in a different state (I think this was a swing state too) but showing Trump in the lead sitting on zero. It is not about whether it is significant for these people, it is literally “Is this good or bad for My Guy? Does this fit the echo chamber I want to live in?”
They absolutely should not downvote something like this, you’re totally right. Any relevant political analysis/news from a respected source should get upvoted. But the (justified) fear of Trump is making tribalism hit hard and turning some people into petulant children with nothing to do but demand we “vote blue” and prop up the narrative.
If they commit a crime then we can lock them up. If they don’t then they have the same rights as you and me. And that is a GOOD THING.
So we can class them as a specific subgroup that we’re allowed to mistreat and don’t have the same rights as everyone else? We could make them wear little badges.
Trump could be the youngest presidential candidate in history and he would still be essentially just as bad. Possibly even worse. If Biden didn’t have these excruciating moments where he seems super senior and gets incoherent he would be pretty good. Unless you happen to be a Palestinian obvs.
Anyway, people have higher standards for Biden and THEY SHOULD.
I wonder why no other country needs this kind of affirmation? 🤔🤔🤔 hmmmmmmm what a mystery
Is there a minimum “rate” for a genocide, then?
They have a “no go” zone in the city where I live. I went there. It is nice. The people are poor by Swedish standards but if you’re not from here you would not bat an eye. The only way you believe this is if you have never been to Sweden, or at least not a “no go” zone and/or you get all your news from racist right wing fuckwits who desperately try to convince you that Arabs are destroying European society.
OP Sweden is nice, even Stockholm and Gothenburg, just a bit expensive
Definitely a lot of the things people claim Trump will do are more theoretical than not. But also Trump was actually president so it’s not all theoretical, it will probably be a lot like last time. i.e. totally shit.
But people aren’t always pragmatic so I think convincing someone to vote for you is a much better plan. Biden is in a popularly contest with a racist, idiotic convicted felon and is still somehow about tied with him. Hate to always bring up the supporting a genocide thing but I MEAN…
Trump and Biden are two sides of same coin. They are not so vastly different as you portend
They are different on almost every issue
Trump wants to “get rid” of the Education Department, make it easier to fire civil servants (the section F stuff), at minimum become more hostile to NATO and at worst leave, cut taxes for rich people, relax any environmental policies, allow states to take away the right to abortion, and even in Biden’s shittiest area, Gaza, Trump seems to think the issue is that they weren’t quick enough with the killing and had bad PR. Immigration, Biden has some shitty policies but Trump wants a Muslim ban again.
I could go on. Fuck Biden. Fuck Trump even more.
It means something, clearly. This is only meaningless if enough people in the US are pragmatic and sensible and will vote for people they dislike to keep out a monster… Let me just have a check what happened in 2016 OH GOD OH FUCK WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE
Obviously, much like South Africa, the human rights council is just another legal arm of Hamas. They are an incredibly powerful and well connected organisation with widespread support in major institutions, humanitarian organizations, the UN and grassroots support across the world. How did they achieve this? 🤷♂️ but obviously if we acknowledge that this is an insane conspiracy theory we would have to admit all of crimes that Israel is doing and we can’t have that now can we
My dude we all know what Israel is doing. Take your hasbara and fuck off
Who the fuck cares. The democrats did it and it is shit. Literally sending military equipment which will be used to kill children. “But the republicans” is the lamest, most pathetic fucking response to that. Political tribalism has rotted your brain
If this horror continues until January, Gaza is already gone. I don’t even know what the fuck they would do if it stops today. He had the chance to be better and he fucked it up. I actually believed he would be better than this.
Obligatory yes you should still vote for Biden because Trump is obviously worse and undoubtedly the West Bank would be next. Not to mention project 2025. But “horrific” policy is not the best selling point, even when pitted against “even worse” policy. American politics is truly broken.
Obviously this is cruel and the republicans can go fuck themselves. But also it would be quite hilariously stupid for the US to pay to destroy Gaza and pay to rebuild it.
I would say help rebuild it, but perhaps they should have reconsidered the destroying part. But hey what do I know. Something something important ally in the region, just a little smidge of genocide and apartheid. All good nothing to see here
I mean if Hamas and Israel both consider it a ceasefire, let’s by all means ignore that and defer to a random Lemmy user.
I’m not asking for deference, we both just found examples of continuing conflict. Why would you describe this as a ceasefire? You don’t need to believe me, just use your brain.
If two people are punching each other in the face but insist they are not fighting, what do we believe: them, or our own eyes?
It is obvious. Those hypothetical people are fighting. And likewise, there was no ceasefire.
Yeah I was confused about what you meant because of this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/03/palestinians-killed-israeli-strike-west-bank-jenin
And all of this: https://pchrgaza.org/en/israeli-human-rights-violations-in-the-occupied-palestinian-territory-weekly-update-27-september-04-october-2023/
It seems like there was never a cease fire? Israel has been firing the whole time. And before you say that most of this was in the West Bank, it is all attacks on Palestine. Just because it has been broken up doesn’t make the people different and I don’t think Hamas and other militant groups see this as anything other than Israel attacking Palestine. Hamas called October 7th “Al-Aqsa Flood” for a reason.
So based on this logic, some gay people treat straight people like a danger to their safety, and this isn’t nice and doesn’t make me feel comfortable. Sometimes I want a drink away from this judgment. So can I start a straight bar where gay people are not welcome? Or would that be awful and homophobic?
I know the baseline situations are not the same, there is obviously still prejudice. But the logic still applies. Likewise, should we have black bars with no white people allowed?
Also I wonder what type of homophobe would go to a gay bar? Would be an odd move unless you intended to harm/abuse people, and if that was the case wouldn’t you just lie and say you were gay to get in? Not like you’re going to make them kiss someone to get through the door.
Yeah I also watched a 30 minute highlight video because since Trump has been involved I’ve found watching the whole thing to be intolerable. I am totally open to anybody showing me “high points” for Biden that maybe CNN skipped over in their condensed version.
Lol please share. “Morals of an alleycat”? (or whatever the exact quote is)
As for the rest, I agree that obviously for general factual content Biden even on his deathbed will beat Trump. However it was undermined by the errors, e.g. getting the price of insulin wrong and millions/billions mixed up more than once. That is the problem.
Almost certainly. But he wasn’t so it’s not really the point here.
You know what they say about stopped clocks. They will always have this shit to say about Biden, absolutely. So why have I (and many others, NYT included) all of a sudden “caved into” republican talking points after ignoring or arguing against them until now?
Honestly to me the more interesting “talking points” at the minute are from some democrats, who after (assumedly) reacting in horror with the rest of us after the debate, have latched onto the “He had a cold” excuse that they came out with and tried to pass the whole thing off as a “stutter” issue.
I think people can see the difference between a stutter and whatever the hell happened at the debate. He wasn’t stuttering, he was freezing up and getting sentences jumbled up. He was not capable of having a coherent debate, and the only saving grace is that Trump isn’t either (different reasons, but still).
So I find it a little strange how people are talking about his performance, now. We all know what we watched, and that is why everybody freaked the fuck out straight afterwards. Trying to gaslight everyone is not a productive or helpful strategy. (Not you necessarily, by the way, just “the discourse” in general. I would like to see any examples you have of what you’re saying)