Dude has been a joke for a very long time. Like his illegal campaign for the Dem nomination that was only ever meant to be attention seeking, that subsequently got zero attention for the most recent example.

You think Bernie Sanders doesn’t want all of that, too? You should read his latest book.

He was just being pragmatic when he mostly only talked about the most easily achievable and popular of his possible reforms.

Bernie fucking Sanders was a centrist according to the rest of the world.

Just utterly and completely wrong, Bernie would be firmly within the populist/socialist left of Europe, and probably the rest of the world too.

Oh I completely agree, just wanted to point out that AIPAC is homegrown interventionism, not foreign like people tend to think.

How is this not foreign interference?

Because AIPAC doesn’t take any foreign money, it’s funded entirely from within the U.S.

Isn’t that list almost everything though? I can’t think of one reform or law we could pass that wouldn’t feel like it came too late.

Doesn’t mean they’re not worth fighting for, or that we shouldn’t celebrate them when they pass.

Completely agree with everything you said.

The same has also started to be done with Bernie’s “successor’s” like AOC and Jamaal Bowman, I’m not sure how exactly they can stop that other than regularly virtue signaling how radical they are and potentially alienating any moderates.

The oddest part to me is the people who downplay Bernie’s radicallness. I’ve only ever heard it done by left wingers who think he’s not actually left wing enough, thereby distancing themselves from their best option, and by right wingers looking for an easy gotcha against lefties by going “He just wants Denmark that’s not socialism”. Literally the only people downplaying Bernie’s radicalism are the ones who would seemingly have a vested interest to do the opposite.

I’ve always felt that’s just pragmatism from Bernie,

If you read his book “It’s Okay to Be Angry About Capitalism” it becomes very very obvious that this is the case. From quoting very radical anti-capitalists to tongue and cheek (somewhat) insider jokes such as naming the chapter on his time in mayoral politics “Socialism in one City”, it shows he’s definitely way more ideologically aligned with socialism than people give him credit for.

Which government are you talking about? Most land owned by the government in the U.S. is either worthless desert, contracted out to the private sector, or the small bit leftover that’s actually used by the federal government.

I lived in a very rural area back then, I know a friend whose family was all watching that debate together in their living room, all hard-core Trump supporters of course. That debate literally made them so sad they turned off the TV mid debate, it broke my friend free from being a MAGA diehard.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Biden campaign saw something like that reflected in polling, even marginally, and is trying to recreate it.

Yeah the recoil is much weaker on those and there’s no muzzle flash, and certain cinematic shots just can’t be done with them like they could with an actual gun.

The moment who is waiting for exactly?

He’s not actually dead.

The election is almost guaranteed to happen though, all they’re protesting over is the timing.

Netanyahu is claiming he wants to wait till the war is over. The protestors are saying that he’s just using that to keep himself out of jail.

The longest Netanyahu can draw this struggle out is October 2026. Another election is guaranteed, Netanyahu isn’t going to suddenly make himself dictator with his tiny popularity.

I mean it is though, (unless you count Iraq and Turkey), that’s why this protest against the war and for an election is even allowed to happen.

Oh definitely, I’m not blaming Dolly, just saying that as one of the largest draws in the area, (along with the National Park) that she basically is the local economy, which does have its negatives along with its positives.

The area became a tourist destination long before her too. The tourism industry really started after F.D.R. came to town and established the national park.

I’ve lived within driving distance of it almost my entire life.

It’s in her hometown and brings in quite a bit of money for the rural area, however the tourism has changed the town/towns massively, almost like the redneck/hillbilly version of gentrification.

For example, in that county, there’s 10 times more hotels, cabins, Air B&B’s, for tourists, than their are houses on the market and apartments to rent for locals (I actually have written a few college essays about this). Which has effectively priced out most long-term generational residents, to the point where almost 50% of the county’s labor force comes from outside the county and can’t afford to live inside it.

It’s imperative to understand that non-internationalist worker movements that don’t care about imperialism are the actual bourgeois concessions that you mentioned earlier.

Certainly, but the left wing of the Labor party and the Communist Party in France were the ones to advocate for and eventually succeed in gaining decolonization, instead of endless campaigns of repression.

Excuse me, which demsoc movements have control in the so-called “democratic world”?

Lula in Brazil, Luis Arce in Bolivia, Claudia Sheinbaum in Mexico, and Gabriel Boric in Chile to name a few.

Speaking of Cuba, I bring another source: a book by Pedro Ross called "how the worker’s parliaments saved the cuban revolution

I’ll have to read it, I’ve been meaning to do more research on Cuba.

Anyhow, how’s your statement that as soon as they have multi-party systems you’ll consider them successful, consistent with your claim that you measure success on the material conditions of the working class?

I believe the main abuses of the Communist parties were caused by their complete control over power with no recourse. When the party became repressive, the leaders/bureaucrats making the decisions couldn’t be voted out, not even by average party members. I also just thoroughly have an issue with the party dictating to the working class what it’s priorities are, and not the reverse. I’m not arguing they’d even have to start having multi-party elections, but at least have multiple people within the part contest the same seat in the politburo/central committee/legislature, argue for separate sets of ideas or plans (that adhere to party ideology), and let the party members decide which should be deciding the future of the party and country. That’d be enough for me, currently I see the political selection process in communist states to be controlled from above, usually by the highest organs of power, such as the Organization Department of the Chinese Communist Party, which controls the party and state bureaucracy, and the Politburo, which controls the process in China.

I think there’s just a different measure of success. I think the socialist movement that built up the NHS in England with Bevan, the movement that built the Workers Coucils in France, the socialists that wons the 8 hour day globally, the Zapitistas, the PKK/YPG, and the rest of the socialist movements that built the modern welfare state could be considered successful.

I measure success more on the material conditions of the working class, rather than if the party has complete control over a country. Currently the democratic socialist movements have more control in the Democratic world, global South and global North, than the Leninists do.

The very second that China, Vietnam, Cuba, or Laos actually allows for free elections between multiple socialist factions, and not just the control of society by a party elite, that’s the second I’ll consider those leninists more successful than the Democratic Socialists.

I would also like to note because my other reply ran out of space, I wouldn’t consider myself an anti-communist, but rather pro-democracy.

There’s plenty of communists, even leninists, that I look up to for inspiration, people and movements such as Allende, Sankhara, Che, Hu Yaobang, and the French and Italian communist parties being some examples, and I don’t think the actions of Lenin or even Stalin are universally bad, just that their authoritarian actions allowed for abuses that never should’ve happened in the name of socialism, and that there’s also plenty of inspiration in non-Leninist democratic socialists such as Goldman, Luxemburg, Haywood, Bevan, and Meidner.