Edit: Meme has been slightly altered to be more accurate. Credit to @ininewcrow for the updated and better image.
This meme always bugged me because it’s not an equivalent portrayal of what the actual real life team mascot displays (or had displayed for several decades … but continues to display in many other leagues and communities and schools)
As an Indigenous person … this is what Native mascot logos look like to me.
I want that tshirt so much!
I’m as white as the driven snow and English by the way.
"Some folk’ll never lose a toe, but then again some folk’ll. Like Cleetus, the pale faced yokel.
white as the driven snow
Did you know why natives hate snow?
It’s white, and settles on their land.
That’s good … but where I’m from in northern Ontario, we live in swamp country and we actually love winter because the land freezes over and we can freely travel over it … in the summer we become land locked or stick to canoes and rivers … but when winter arrives, we can go anywhere we want.
It needs to be plural to make the joke fit right and “palefaces” doesn’t quite fit the syllable count. We need something better.
“Paleskins”?
This guy seems a little more considerate than those he is mocking lol
They could also go with the original image with an assault rifle super imposed over it.
I want that tshirt so much!
I’m as white as the driven snow and English by the way.
"Some folk’ll never lose a toe, but then again some folk’ll. Like Cleetus, the pale faced yokel.
So… You’re slush gray?
Scotsman here. If you find this shirt please let me know. I want to get one for each member of my family.
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Fix’d.
It took me an EMBARRASSING amount of time to realize that was two thumbs up and not like… holding his clothes with his fingers tucked in. I was so fucking confused. I want to slap myself.
It took me an embarrassing amount of time of self reflection to edit that … the whole time I was thinking … will people think this is racist, am I racist, am I reverse-racist, is that a thing? Should I laugh at my culture? Is that allowed? Should I allow myself?
So I just burned some sweetgrass, waved my hands at the sun and hit reply
I think I love you
Meanwhile, as a white guy I have no compunction against mocking white people every chance I get. Privilege, indeed.
mishtikooshoo … this is word we use for white people in my language … the root word is mishtik … which means ‘stick’ or ‘wood’
Adding the ooshoo at the end associates the root word to a group or to a people or a person
So the word literally translates as … ‘man with a stick’ … the silly stick they were holding in their hands and that was so important to them was the Christian cross
When you look at the Christian faith without any knowledge about who they are and what they do or why … all you see is a ‘man with a stick’
And It only gets worse when you know who they are and what they do. One wonders what they thought when they saw that they pray to not just the stick, but to a bloody man nailed to it.
So… a stickman.
And this shit bugs me because the only people who actually got upset at the original depiction are professional victims. Haven’t heard a whisper about the “Vikings” team and them glorifying a part of Norse culture the Nordic people try hard to move on from. At least the Redskins had backing from some actual natives and I think there’s still a group advocating for it to be changed back.
It’s either all okay or none of it is - the double standards and playing victim is just fucking pathetic.
Fuck off, bootlicker.
God I hope your shitty art prints are more creative than your insults.
It should say “Whiteskins” instead
*Paleskins
“Paleface” … and show a picture of a buck toothed yokel
they probably changed the wording to avoid being too on-the-nose…
I think they just swapped insults.
The Washington Wypipo (I would wear this version)
alternate
The Colorado Crackers
The Indianapolis Institutional Racism (WNBA team)
The Columbus Yakubians
The Louisville Legrees
Why drag Indy into this? Fever is the most sanitized team name ever.
The Columbus Yakubians
Only real heads will get this.
The edit is significantly worse. Now it’s tied to the Simpsons and feels forced. Paleskins would be better than Paleface and the aggressively generic looking white guy of the previous logo was better.
Plus, that character is obviously yellow.
This got me thinking … If anyone has access to AI generator of some sort… what would the resulting image be if you asked…
Stereotypical Caucasian man in cartoon style
Welp, I tried. The result (one of them, anyway) was of Trump on the t-shirt. Without prompting for it.
Edit: maybe one of these? I had to dance around the name a bit:
I’m on a sugar high from eating left over Halloween candy and I’m dying … my heart is filtrating … jesus
“Eat cake?” Where’d it get that from?
It’s actually very telling that it can’t really produce any decent white stereotypes. Shows how rarely they’re mocked. It would have an embarrassment (literally) of riches to draw from with pretty much any other ethnic group.
“Eat cake?” Where’d it get that from?
I fed it that term. It didn’t like when I used “Caucasian” or “paleface”.
Oooh, okay, never heard the term before.
yeah I don’t feel like the redskins logo was making fun of native people in the way this edit clearly is poking fun at white ppl, the issue with the use of ‘redskin’ is that it is an offensive term and that it is inappropriate for white people to use the likeness of a race they oppressed and killed as a mascot
but really, i don’t think there is any fair comparison.
I don’t know, that’s awfully PC. Shouldn’t it say “Whiteys” or similar?
Its pointing out that “redskins” is offensive, but not being offensive to do it.
You could say being formal is itself another joke on top of the contrast, as “indigenous” or “first peoples” would be an equally stupid football team name as “Caucasians.”
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Paleface is an equivalent “slur” as an insult of Native origin.
Honkies or crackers would be fantastic.
He wants to parody the thing, not get murdered by a random hillbilly…
Yeah you’re a lot more likely to get murdered walking around with the N word on your shirt than anything you’d think would offend a hillbilly.
Did you see the Top Gear episode where the lads went to the Deep South and got chased by red necks cos their car had Hilary Clinton and gay sex painted on the sides?
… Yes, where they went out of their way to find the most reactive prone town they could, gave their very best shot to stir up animosity, and still left without incident aside from some verbal threats. Even then that was politically charged and had nothing to do with their race.
I haven’t seen the to gear episode of a southern tour, but if your priorities are based on a TV show. From the UK nonetheless. You can’t really say shit about the South.
I’ve been there, they’re not all raving lunatics. There’s only like a 50% voting rate in the country. Of that, roughly half are one side or the other.
So this guy is limiting half the country in nothing and the half he likes.
Why did this image get edited to a Simpsons character paleface instead of the original Caucasian?
can someone pls link to the original?
Shouldn’t that be white skins?
Either way, fine with me. I think we shouldn’t make small things big issues, we got much MUCH bigger fish to fry
Foreskins
When did caucasian become synonym of white? The caucasus is a small area between russia and the middle east, I’m not caucasian
Because the vast swathe of Indo-Europeans seem to have all originated from somewhere in this region … If you’re white, then a good chunk of your ancestors had something to do with the culture that expanded our of that region in the late Neolithic/early Bronze Age. Do you prefer the term Indo-European?
Ok I think this falls in the “technically correct” basket, even though if you have to go so far back in time to find a common ancestor that the category ends up including two whole continents, i’m wondering what’s the actual value of that information.
The funniest part is that people from the caucasus are actually darker-skinned.
The indigenous palefaces got pushed out by Turkic conquerers, pray for their descendants 🙏
I’m a whiteskin and I’d wear it.
I don’t feel insulted at all. Sorry.
That is what we call Privilege.
Privilege would be being insulted at this (as a white person).
That’s the proper reaction to racism. Indifference, jokes, mockery, and ridicule. We had it right in the '90s. Hate loses all its power when it’s made the butt of the joke.
Lol no we didn’t, you can’t just laugh off institutional prejudice. I mean sure, go ahead and ignore the redneck spouting racist bullshit on twitter for your own mental health, but the 90s didn’t make any great steps against disproportionate policing and brutality based on race, education inequality, or socioeconomic inequality. Those aren’t “ignore it and it’ll go away” problems.
Changing culture is slow, but it has gone backwards by holding different races by different standards now instead of everyone the same.
Yeah racism ended with slavery and there have been zero lasting repercussions that need addressed.
Well as a white man I personally haven’t noticed any!
The point is to aim for equality not aim for superiority (some getting extra help others getting none) because of the past because you will overshoot and it’ll just be a pendulum going back and forth and each time somebody is worse off than the other because of their race. Treat everybody the same and we will eventually all be the same.
some getting extra help others getting none
I agree that systems of aid should be income-based and not race-based, but the idea that we will somehow overshoot and end up in a society controlled by nonwhite people is pretty reactionary.
Treat everybody the same and we will eventually all be the same.
You’ve completely lost the plot. The purpose of race-based aid is to offset systemic inequality that still exists to this day.
Treat everybody the same and we will eventually all be the same.
Let’s assume that’s how it works, what’s the time frame? “Eventually” is the operative word here, how many lives are we good with systematically fucking just so we can pretend this is a non-issue that will sort itself out?
What’s your proof of regression here? Because the poverty rate gap has lowered in the last couple decades, same with the high school and post secondary education gap and life expectancy gap. Not much change in the average income gap since the 90s, but that could take decades to see after a narrowing of educational gaps.
I’ve only found pre-pandemic data, but this is definitely compelling over the time scale we’re discussing.
I agree that a lot of financially well off (mostly) white people need to start being held to the same standard as our most vulnerable groups. Throw them in prison for life for minor drug offenses too! Opiod abuse? Straight to jail. /s.
Sarcasm aside, I agree it would be nice to be able to hold everyone to the same standards, but I’m not interested in ignoring how the history of our country has shaped our now. This country was designed with racism as a key feature, and that history does still impact people today.
I think what’s bringing us backwards is the sense of entitlement that some people have. They can’t stand to see someone else get help or raised up in status, especially if they’re not satisfied with their own place. They see equality as a lowering of their own station, not helping someone else.
We had it right in the '90s.
No, we didn’t. Pretending that white supremacism would go away if we pretended it didn’t exist has delivered the predictable outcome.
Any Paleface Swiss fans here?
This is fake. Just an FYI.
Washington Drunks
That would be Wisconsin
Who is ‘we’?
The white people of Lemmy.
