Financial risk too great for dev working "in my spare time to help others."
  • Uglyhead@lemmy.worldEnglish
    258·
    9 months ago

    Just start charging exorbitant amounts of money for every API call; problem solved! —Spez

    (Also: Fuck Spez)

    • Dyskolos@lemmy.zipEnglish
      18·
      9 months ago

      Sadly it would end the same like with reddit or netflix: The loss due to the amount of pissed-off and leaving customers is obviously way less than the gain due to the ignorant or root-problem-agnostics. Makes me a sad panda…

  • jman6495@lemmy.mlEnglish
    141·
    9 months ago

    This will be over soon. When the EU's Data Act comes into force, car manufacturers will be obliged to allow access to vehicle data.

    • AdamEatsAss@lemmy.worldEnglish
      78·
      9 months ago

      Also isn't it Mazda's fault for creating an API that anyone can access and get information from? Someone in Mazda IT is probably frantically looking for the email chain where he was told to "just make it public" so our outside analysts can use it.

      • stolid_agnostic@lemmy.mlEnglish
        6·
        9 months ago

        And if available in Europe, do you think that information will not appear elsewhere? Mazda is not going to create a separate API for them alone.

        • atzanteol@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          2·
          9 months ago

          Content providers already block access to content based on locale. It won’t be hard to have a flag in the API that turns off functionality based on the callers location.

    • atrielienz@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      8 months ago

      And then they’ll get sued, when that leads to cars getting hacked. I don’t know if that’s gonna work out in the long run. Car companies are likely to band together to prevent this or make lawful exceptions for themselves in the space.

  • rebelsimile@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    1141·
    9 months ago

    I didn’t really get it until I read the article (shut up 😃), but it seems pretty clear that Mazda’s primary concern here appears to be access to this API through Home Assistant cutting off future (maybe current) owners’ requirement to subscribe to their app for features.

  • FakinUpCountryDegen@lemmy.worldEnglish
    732·
    9 months ago

    Eh, it’s preferable when companies go ahead and self-identify as being comprehensively dog shit and worthless.

    Just another company to throw on the list who will never receive a single dollar of my money as long as I live.

    Won’t lose a wink of sleep over it. Good luck, Mazda.

        • ZiemekZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          7 months ago

          SYM MaxSym 600i ABS, this 565cc maxi-scooter is the first to launch from a green light in cities and has nothing to be ashamed of on highways since it can do 160 kph with some spare power still remaining.

      • FakinUpCountryDegen@lemmy.worldEnglish
        77·
        9 months ago

        I’ll move closer to the city and walk or use public transit.

        Frankly, that’s unlikely. The free market will always make sure someone is there to disrupt, and I’ll always support the disruptor.

        • AeroLemming@lemm.eeEnglish
          91·
          9 months ago

          It’s already happening lol. There are no privacy-friendly modern cars.

        • wavebeam@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          9 months ago

          I supported the disruptor to cable so hard they became the thing they disrupted and now I don’t have netflix

          • FakinUpCountryDegen@lemmy.worldEnglish
            25·
            9 months ago

            Really? The most expensive Netflix plan available is still 1/5th what the TV portion of my cable bill was…

            I still have it, but honestly probably not for long because I just don’t use it. Sail the high seas and don’t support the culture-destroying shit!

        • Frostbeard@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          9 months ago

          Perhaps for chapter consumer products, but starting a car company that produces normal mass produced cars is not really done overnight. And Tesla produces the most shite cars of all of them only really disrupting by cutting out customer service at this point.

          • FakinUpCountryDegen@lemmy.worldEnglish
            13·
            9 months ago

            You’re probably referring to that study showing Tesla with 250 problems-on-delivery per 100 cars… I don’t own a Tesla or know anyone who does, but it’s worth noting the vast, vast majority of those problems are cosmetic, and fixed before the car leaves the customer service facility. If you see the graphic for that study, there are some pretty huge names way down on the list just above Tesla - and those are not mostly cosmetic issues.

            • Frostbeard@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              9 months ago

              No it was in Norway. Tesla sold 21303 new cars in Norway in 2022. Total new car sales for Norway in 2022 was 174329. Tesla Model Y is the most sold new car in Norway and Tesla is the largest brand. Totally electric cars is 79.3% of all new cars (Norway has pretty generous tax incentives on electric cars making even high end Teslas pretty cheap)

              83 out of 168 cases that ended up in “consumer court” (that is they have not been resolved without mediation) was Tesla. These cases are mostly not cosmetic but more serious issues that has not been resolved.

              Edit: you can argue that with more sold cars they get more complaints. But Tesla has approximately 12 % of the market but 49% of the cases so they are over represented in Norway at least

              • Frostbeard@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                8 months ago

                It might be it’s because of Teslas business model. They protract the cases, and gamle on it not going to mediation. (Customer gives up) and that the US head office is required to evaluate the case, rather than the local or national dealer. In either case I don’t want shite US late stage capitalist business practices in Norway so Tesla can fuck right off.

              • FakinUpCountryDegen@lemmy.worldEnglish
                14·
                8 months ago

                Careful, now… We’re not allowed to say that a higher percent of bad things are the fault of a tiny percent of the total group of actors, even if the data is objectively true! 😉

    • xGIHOST@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      9 months ago

      Yep. I wouldn’t want to make it into a list but bmw and mazda are already on my blacklist

      • FakinUpCountryDegen@lemmy.worldEnglish
        23·
        9 months ago

        Yep Mazda is my first auto maker blacklist… I’ve got Sony at the top from numerous incidents around 2004-2006, and Google since 2016. (obvs can’t get 100% away from Google because they keep buying companies, but I only need to get rid of my Nest and Fitbit shit to be completely google-free!)

    • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
      251·
      9 months ago

      It seems to be working exactly as intended. It protects the OP of the rich while not giving a shit about the poor.

    • ZiemekZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      7 months ago

      Intellectual “property” shouldn’t exist. The property system was designed to solve the scarcity of physical goods. Information doesn’t have this problem since it can be replicated forever as long as you have a medium to copy it to. That’s why you can’t own information. Once created, it lives its own life, whenever you like it or not.

  • bad_alloc@feddit.deEnglish
    55·
    9 months ago

    I don’t get it. People are working for free to add a feature to your product which might move more people to buy said product. Make users who use external features acknowledge some waiver that your company is not responsible for damage. If it turns out to be really good, you can fork it, hire the original inventor and turn it into a paid product. Isn’t that a risk-free win? Am I missing something?

    • ItsMeSpez@lemmy.worldEnglish
      24·
      9 months ago

      Most likely they do not appreciate people adding features to their products for free because these are features that could be sold on future models. This is why right to repair is so important.

      • Dem Bosain@midwest.socialEnglish
        111·
        9 months ago

        Or, it’s something they want you to subscribe to. I bought a Subaru, and only later found out the only way to use remote-start was by subscribing to roadside assistance and using an app on my phone.

        On the bright side, I can start my car from anywhere in the world…

    • stolid_agnostic@lemmy.mlEnglish
      15·
      9 months ago

      They probably want you to pay a subscription for extra features and homeboy went and made it free for life.

  • elscallr@lemmy.worldEnglish
    411·
    9 months ago

    Well then, anyone have this code archived? Time to make sure it makes it to torrent networks. The only way we render the DMCA irrelevant is to make it useless.

    Make sure to keep the checksums in place.

    • DreadPotato@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      3·
      9 months ago

      Without a somewhat centralized codebase, development will be an absolute nightmare. Old versions floating about with bugs or so old there has been breaking changes in the API, and did you make your additions to the latest version…no wait, 4 people made different additions around the same time, but each released their own versions, and they were not based on the same version either. With no single place to report and collect fixes and development it’ll be a fragmented pile of crap real fast.

  • Fades@lemmy.worldEnglish
    37·
    9 months ago

    What a fucking joke. Let me tell you, these car OEMs are fucking SHIT at API development in general. Shit, it’s a fuckin miracle when they actually have APIs. A major OEM (won’t mention as it’s work related for me) just recently published their APIs and MY GOD are they fucking trash, inconsistent, and throw 5xx for fucking any reason (this is absolutely NOT a small or new OEM by any fucking means… Luxury brand)

    This is simply a shit company trying to punish people because of their own incompetencies when it comes to API design and management. Oh and just anti-consumer in general, just like how they attack right-to-repair at every fuckin turn possible.

    FUCK capitalism, it’s fucking broken; instead of ensuring that competition drives innovation we instead get… LESS control LESS features for MORE across the board (subscriptions, anyone?). Anyone talking about the free market’s inherent innovation is a FUCKING GODDAMN MORON

    • lightnegative@lemmy.worldEnglish
      36·
      8 months ago

      Well, without the free market innovation, I guess you’d just be complaining about the quality of your horse and cart on the way to church instead

  • bitwolf@lemmy.oneEnglish
    36·
    9 months ago

    So … is there a copy of the repo left that we can replicate endlessly?

  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.caEnglish
    32·
    9 months ago

    Should be legally protected and these companies should receive heavy fines for false DMCA claims

    • woodenskewer@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      9 months ago

      Call me crazy but you think there’d be some kind of reviewing body that reads dmca claims heard by both parties prior to entering a court room rather than people with money fucking the average person.

    • DocMcStuffin@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      22·
      9 months ago

      It won’t go obsolete per se. It will just have lots of security vulnerabilities after they stop patching the 10,000,000+ lines of code used in all the microcontrollers and microprocessor.

      • stolid_agnostic@lemmy.mlEnglish
        21·
        9 months ago

        Well I’m already living across the street from a subway station and don’t even want to own a car. This was more based on principle than anything.